Timothy Studies (Direction of the church and leadership)

[Daniel Baumet]

Intro:
Over the last few years I have been absorbed in the research of re study scripture, comparing the good old KJV against many other “Original tongue” texts. From that I also have started to compare many of my notes against the new released “Messianic” bibles, and from Hebrew translations.
With the wealth of knowledge I gain from the comparison of these texts I began to review many of even my own teachings. So far to date, I am happy to say not really much has changed , other than I word my self stronger, and grow deeper in what I speak about.
Once again I am in a period of silence (this translates to me as a period of review and expansion of learning.
One direction I seem to go has been in the new re-study of the Pauline Letter to Timothy or for now the first letter. The Pauline texts in the Messianic Community have come under fire s of late as they are the only groups of text that seem to be Hebrew , and no Aramaic root so that they are now questioned as even authentic. I leave them to their arguments, it is not my concern as even if they are not, I still see value and merit
I will use the following translations as guide KJV (King James Version) NAS (New American Standard, Con (W.J.Conybeare: Epistles of Paul) TCNT (The 20th Century New Testament) (Amp) Amplified New Testament), CJB (Complete Jewish Bible)
My dictionary definitions are from Oxford (Canadian) and Collins
Am I perfect I doubt it … so I leave the readings and comments to you.. the rest I leave to Yeshua who will ultimately judge me. (amyan)

[Pathways Of Grace]

It is always amazing to note the humanity of men. The intrinsic need to be correct in all things. When something supports a persons' viewpoint no detail is too obscure or difficult if it casts the least bit of support on a cherished subject. However the same holds true when one has a differing view, then every nuance of dissent is dissected and offered as shattering proof that it is wrong and never was correct from the beginning. There is a name for this malady. It's called Pharisee.

God needs no proof as He validates in our spirit that His Word is His. Enough for me.

Blessings,

~ Jonathan

[Daniel Baumet]

Now I am the one confused Jon, I hope that your statement is not intended towards my quest for truth, nor a challenge towards my desire to test my "theories" , and receive a healthy discussion as I attempt not only to vocalize my thoughts, but either strengthen them through interaction, or be convinced enough to return to the proverbial drawing board.
I consider that this is but the intro, and already cringe at what I am thinking.
I do not deem my self a Pharisee, how ever in that consideration I doubt (considering what the term has come to mean as opposed to what it really meant ) they (the real Pharisees) would have conceded to the charge.
I do confess a desire (yea even a lust) to quell the fires of Pilot's question, as reflected in the modern age. From here and this launching post will come I hope and trust, a more sure word at least from these unworthy lips.

After all every great teacher remains first a student

[Daniel Baumet]

The first lesson (Based on 1 Timothy 1: 3- 11 )
“As I counseled you when I was leaving Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus sp that you may order certain people to are teaching a different doctrine to stop. “ (1 Timothy 1:3 CJB)

What was these teachings that Paul (Sha’ul) wanted Timothy to stop? They were teaching fables and distracting people from God’s work, by having them speculate. Speculation is a guessing game. There is no room for guess work in salvation. We are to grab hold and be sure, to remain firm, latch on with the grip of the jaws of a pitt bull and not let go. To trust God and not doubt, no matter how bad things look right or left set our eyes upon Him (the Ha Messiach) and not worry.
Here we see that many of these teachers had wandered so far off course they were not even close to what they originally claimed to be, teachers of Torah (Law .. KJV) but other translations render the words “strange views” How often have we sat and listened to these people coming in invitation with strange ideals of what truth or even Christianity is about. They comment about what they think, feel, speculate. . . like that really matters. If the sun rises in the East and sets west what really has that to do with prophecy… ? Nothing! These are things preordained by God and will continue until He and He alone considers things are finished. Mid Trib, Pre Trib, Post Trib… who really cares we should be living every day as if it is the last one here in this life or even in this plain of existence. What we thought would happen in the last days will not by 2 seconds in glory! Where He shows up, is up to Him. We need only to watch, and be ready, because there is no real DEW line other than what the scriptures tell us.
We need to focus more on where we are .. having a clean heart, good conscience, and sincere trust. This is what matters. Laws have their place (as does God’s ) but who looses sleep at night?
A good citizen that behaves?
Or the Thief and murderer ? The ones that are guilty worry, or try to devalue the law so they can only justify them selves. A righteous man does not fear the law for it is not made for him other than to measure his behaviors. Read those last verses… ( 8,9,10, ) these are the ones that need fear the law? Who are the voices crying to remove the emblems of truth, the teachings of the righteous? Are not these the voices that cry ? Are they not the voices in wail that know their fate? Away good is evil ,evil is good they say. But we were warned also of these ones brethren, and they too soon will pass.

[Pathways Of Grace]

"The Pauline texts in the Messianic Community have come under fire s of late as they are the only groups of text that seem to be Hebrew , and no Aramaic root so that they are now questioned as even authentic. I leave them to their arguments...."

That is what I was talking about Daniel! lol! Not you... is there something I should know? (smile)

[Daniel Baumet]

ahh the questionaing of validity .. yes .. although some of thier argument may make sense .. to me it only leads again to speculation .. now what was that message I wrote?
Me?? Well I have been called worse lol!

[Daniel Baumet]

And I said ...
I leave those fights to them as they only lead to speculation. As the scripture teaches us a/ we are to avoid vain, foolish and meaningless arguments and right here in the first class you read we should not entertain the teachings that lead to speculations.
If Paul did write personaly he could have used Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic,. Latin as he was educated. He spoke well where ever he went so he was well versed in several languages.
As I have spoken to you on the issue, the Messianic comunity divides itself (among the teachers) that should be warning enough, not to get into it. We are to unite not divide and personaly I will not divide.
I am a smart cookie and one reason I am more accepted these days is that I do not allow my self to even get drawn into this sort of thing.
Some day, (if not now , in the after life) we will learn if Paul worte these books, what language he wrote them and many kahoodles of questions. I got one for you though ...
How knowing any of this would be be granted or denied access to Glory ? The things of Heaven should be what we foucus on (as I have declared I am refocusing my directives ) these other Docterines need to be set aside, as they do not profit the soul.

[Daniel Baumet]

As Timothy was his student, in our methods of teaching, he would have learned each language that Paul spoke and wrote in , as the letter is to him (Timothy) personally Paul again could have written in in any to his protege

I still fail to comprehend exactly how any of that knowledge would change any thing previously written by me in my understanding. Perhaps opening a section on "What language did Paul speak may satisfy your desire.

[Daniel Baumet]

Jim I can take questions no problem ... but you are not always satisfied with my answers.
As your questions are just that they are your questions, but like wise my answers are just that my answers. It is fine Jim if we disagree , not every one will agree with me. If I say something and you do not agree say so I do not agree .. I may en trite you with a debate or the reasons of why I believe, and you can continue to agree to disagree.
I have in my life those that are given charge over me , and confess that I do not always agree with them.
To me they are leading us al down a slippery slope if they are debating on the validity of Paul not to mention what language he wrote in ...
My answer remains the same, I am not certain what Paul's original words were written in , he could have written in many languages, fact is that if Timmy boy here had a jewish ma .. he would have learned Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic
Fact is that as Paul's personal student Paul would have ensured a good healthy education for the boy (or he would not have sent him out)
If you did not get the whole point I took the opportunity to challenge another individual that has earned my anger and disrespect. If I have shared with you any thing it has been the continual disrespect of certain "Christians" (note the quotes as I question only them)
My suggestion was that in regard to your research perhaps those that have charge over me may be best to entertain you .. my I only incorporate that which I know .. and avoid what I think. (or at least try to )

[Daniel Baumet]

a / in regard to the word "stupid" I cant seem to find it in regard to my self or to you .

b/ I don t care if Paul wrote in Chinese or Japanese

c/ according to Collins Apostle - means an ardent supporter of a cause. where as an Emissary is a diplomat. As an apostle I could voice my opinions, make my own brash statements produce my own criteria to further my cause. As an Ambassador (Emissary ) I am not allowed the privialge of these treasures but only convey the words to the exact vocalization (no interpretation as to what I think they meant ) of my government. In their case that Government is heaven and the ruler was Yeshua.

As you have deleted the articles you also removed any evidence to the insult .. perhaps you should have asked before you deleted so I could show , high light expound where the insult happened. But I made a comment a few posts back , we are quick to delete.

Reviewing your statements here and actions I do question on further posts here in this matter. So unless others comment I may post one more or I may cease , a complete delete can only serve to wound me further than I already have been this week.

Am I angry yes... am I upset .. yes... is it righteous .. I guess I will let you know when I reach the end of that chain (see bugs bunny) Some of this is righteous and bears merit. Whether or not you agree, or whether or not you personally recognize my offices , gifting and callings

The issues that are personal I have tried to keep out .. (I confess that some of the personal stuff did get out in the last post you deleted .. ) but this is a fight not over personal glory or gain. I really fail what you have so objected to as I express my views and beliefs on certain scripture.. I admit I am not a Conformist never have been,

I was disrespected, as I feel some of my right to express my views .. I tell you what ask those in this site am I out of line .. if so let them post it here and I will delete it and withdraw ..

On the other hand ... if they feel these articles are of worth what would you say? or do?

[Daniel Baumet]

OK then I used the Oxford and Encarta English (One can use Encarta on line) same definition, how ever Encarta adds 12 followers of Jesus Christ and a prominent Christian Misisonary, ad Mormon Official .. (I believe we can discount the last definition towrds the big 12! .. but then you could debate that as well I suppose Was Paul really a Mormon ?// lol phhhhhhhhttttttt Easy people I am only joking!

[Daniel Baumet]

Also I will for the last time advise you I am letting the matter go (I do not trust my memory so sice the article is gone .. the memory is too (I forget offenses fast.. unless they happen to come against my partner .. or my children. since it was niether what were we talking abgout again? ) I will how ever make every effort and means (I state this publicly) that should an offense occur again I will attempt to take the proper course of action and inform you first.. just pary I dont get a million things at the same time and even then I gain strength in what I have learned here in this time and this moment .. (hence my own comment in regard to my self )
I also apologise publicly for any bad behaviors I may or may not have displayed to my brethern. I will no longer excuse them but take onus and determine my self to attempt to be better! Amayn God grant me liberty and strength to full fill my word.

[Daniel Baumet]

In regard to Emissary I also rechecked using Oxford and the Encarta.
1. Representative (an agent sent on a particular mission)
2/ Spy.

So I stand by what I said earlier as an apostle I would be allowed my own thoughts feelings, sumations. However as an Emissary I could only convey what my King had oredered me to not adding my own speculation or interpretaions to the message, regardless of consequece to the foreing government. The Original 12 considered them selves Emessaries of the Kingdom of Yeshua (Jesus), they constantly restate this in all of the writtings. They do not speak of then selves, only of Yeshua (Jesus) what He said, did or was about. Only once to my recolection does Paul state .. "never the less I speak this not the Holy Spirit .."
They had a misison to take the message of the King to the people ... no more no less. I do have a few notes regarding the Paul texts .. if you are interested and some of the reasons behind the division. Aparently some of this division is due to teachings with in some Christian Theo Collegues .. a piece of info I (forgive me here ) find a little amusing. I stayt awa from this mostly as it is more controversial than the letters (Timothy and Titus) are in them selves. I dont care for the argumetns my self re garding the Pauline texts.. but I do attempt to at least garnish enough to be able to understand them ..